Yeshe, All is well here. I just got off from a retreat in Vermont with about twenty mo nks and nuns in Thich Nhat Hanh's Vietnamese tradition, Lin Chi lineage. Thank you for your thoughts on ordaining. Last year I lived with a monk for about 8 months, and since I started practicin g formally about three years ago I have made it a point to talk with as many mo nks, nuns, and former monks and nuns in many traditions as I am able to. So abo ut three years of consistent meditation on this question precedes me. Surprisin gly there has not been a single time when I have wavered on this. I have yet t o meet a partner to whom I could truthfully say "until death do us part." With the teachings I have no hesitation. The question is, is the life of a monk most conducive to practice? A Zen master who I respect once told me, when I asked, "How do I become a monk? " "More important is _why_ become a monk. There are inside monks and outside mo nks." He is one of those few who is both. There is no doubt I once had romantic ideas about monastic life. I know that life in graduate school does not much a ppeal to me. Nor does being an academic. The only time I experience true happin ess is when practicing or living the Dharma. That much is clear. All that you s ay is also clear, on pride, arrogance and indolence. These are serious dangers in practice as a monk. As fortune has it the few monks I have studied with have been genuine in this respect. The Buddha clearly supported practice as a bhikkhu. He taught lay practitioners but claimed it is a far more difficult path to follow. I have been patiently p utting off ordaining to experience the possibilities of lay practice. The amoun t of stress is incredible. Genuinely helping others with compassion leads to li ttle material gain, which means we must whore out our bodies and minds so as to eat and sleep. So what little practice we can do barely allows us to ford the flood of karma let loose by the drive for money. Living here at the Zen Center is a great support. When I look for a reason not to live the life of a monk as the Buddha taught I find none worth mentioning save me, I: the ego. So, can we live as monks as the Buddha taught? I have seen too many impossibili ties become possible to say no. Zeal leads me to think there is nothing else re ally to be done. With all the killing, disease, and decay that show no signs of lessening in this human world, my meager abilities to perceive the world find no better alternative than complete renunciation. That includes renunciation of the _idea_ of becoming a monk. Don't think I do this to become yet another thi ng. The temptation is strong, but I don't doubt that the craving to be is any l ess powerful than the craving for sensual pleasures, sexual or otherwise.